Monday, July 28, 2014

Dream of and Conversations with John R. Howard, Part 1.

Posted: 26 July 2014
Updated: 1 Oct 14

Lewis and Clark College President John R. Howard 
(March 1972)

Part 1 of these conversations with mentor Jack Howard began with a "Creative Deep Listening" interview of a recent dream of the late John R. Howard, former president of Lewis and Clark College, which came the night after at conversation with George J. of Los Alamos, whom I had dreamed of the night 13 July 2014 and which was followed that same night by a dream of David O. McKay.

Note: Creative Deep Listening (CDL) is a combination of my CREEI process questionnaire and Joseph Dillard's "Integral Deep Listening" protocol.

Date of Interview: ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­26-7 July 2014

What are three fundamental life issues that you are dealing with now in your life?
1. Communing with family and friends
2. Tying up end of life loose ends with family, U of Utah and LDS Church
3. Reducing chaos
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Tell me a dream you remember.  It can be an old one, a repetitive dream, a nightmare, or one that you’re sure you understand. 
24 July 14: with John R. Howard outdoors. He is showing me a scrub oak tree needing attention. Also, he points out a small bear lying down nearby for me to be aware of.
CREEI Score: ???-+-//+++/+++;  Pattern: Anticipatory

Why do you think that you had this dream?
.This dream followed a scheduled 2-1/2 hour conversation with George J on the afternoon of July 23 at the Film Festival Cafe. .

If this dream were playing at a theater, what name would be on the marquee? 
Jack’s Counsel

These are the characters in the dream, besides yourself…
John R. Howard, scrub oak, dry landscape, small bear

If one character had something especially important to tell you, what would it be?
Jack Howard

Now remember how as a child you liked to pretend you were a teacher or a doctor?  It’s easy and fun for you to imagine that you are this or that character in your dream and answer some questions I ask, saying the first thing that comes to your mind.  If you wait too long to answer, that’s not the character answering - that’s YOU trying to figure out the right thing to say!

Jack, are you a character in Eugene’s dream?
Yes

Jack, look out at the world from your perspective and tell us what you see... 
I see a lone and dreary world, full of conflict and trouble. I also see Eugene’s role in it.

Jack, would you please tell me about yourself and what you are doing?
I have come to be with Eugene for a period and am glad to have this opportunity. I remember the moment he and I first met and how our conversation evolved when I was in the flesh.

Jack, what do you like most about yourself? What are your strengths?
I like that I am always interested in education and seeing beyond the limits of ecclesiastical and academic boundaries in our American society. My strength is in making clear decisions and trusting my intuition.

Jack, what do you dislike most about yourself? Do you have weaknesses?  What are they?
I don’t see much to dislike. Perhaps one weakness is in not appreciating the dark side of politics. I was once a great supporter of Dick Nixon. 

Jack, what aspect of Eugene do you represent or most closely personify?
I think I represent Eugene’s leadership capability and especially his capacity to ask the important questions.

Jack, if you could be anywhere you wanted to be and take any form you desired, would you change?  If so, how?
No

Jack, how would you score yourself 0-10, in each of the following six qualities: confidence, compassion, wisdom, acceptance, inner peace, and witnessing?  Why?

Confidence, 0-10. Why? 10. I know who I am and am not.
                            
Compassion, 0-10. Why? 10. I am always interested in seeing the best in others
                    
Wisdom, 0-10. Why? 10. I feel blessed in having been granted this quality
                                       
Acceptance, 0-10. Why? 10. Accepting Eugene when he first came with his friend to visit me is a good example.
                            
Inner Peace, 0-10. Why? 9. There is some slight disquiet within me when I perceive territory that is bare and not thriving.
                   
Witnessing, 0-10. Why? 9. I sense that there is a grander view of reality that is beyond my ability to envision.                   

Jack, if you scored tens in all six of these qualities, would you be different?  If so, how?
Only slightly. I would be more willing to let reality be as it is, without thought of judgment or limitations

Jack, how would Eugene’s life be different if he naturally scored like you do in all six of these qualities all the time?
It would be greatly different if he were more disciplined and consistent. He would be much more effective in administrative matters.

Jack, if you could live Eugene’s life for him, how would you live it differently?
Actually, it would be presumptuous for me to tell him how to live it any differently than he is doing.

Jack, if you could live Eugene’s waking life for him/her today, would you handle Eugene’s three life issues differently?  If so, how?
Again, it would be presumptuous of me to suggest anything different than he has stated.

Jack, what life issues would you focus on if you were in charge of Eugene’s life?
What he has focused on seems appropriate. Actually, I think I've come into his life at this point to give him a contrast and encouragement to see beyond his original cultural conditioning.

Jack, in what life situations would it be most beneficial for Eugene to imagine that he is you and act as you would? 
When he is dealing with political, social and ecclesiastical leaders and their issues. 

Jack, do you do drama?  Do you get into playing the Victim, Persecutor, or Rescuer? If not, why not?
No 

Jack, what is your secret for staying out of drama?
I see beyond it.

Jack, you are imaginary. Why should Eugene pay attention to anything you say?
He knows that I am real and now a part of him.

Jack, why do you think that you are in Eugene’s life? 
To give him a solid leadership reference different from the one he has seen for himself.

Jack, how is Eugene most likely to ignore what you are saying to him?
I doubt he will ignore anything I am saying.

Jack, what would you recommend that he/she do about that?
N/A

Jack, why do you think Eugene had this dream?
To give him encouragement and to shift his preoccupation with the Mormon administrative leadership.  

Jack, why do you think the bear was in the dream?
This is humorous. It is a reminder of Eugene’s story about a fugitive half-breed Russian bear, where I played the part of a circus master. 

Jack, why should Eugene pay any attention to what you have said? Aren't these just a projection of Eugene’s own wishes and projections?
God knows my purpose in his life!

Thank you, character! And now a couple questions for the person that dreamed you: 

What have you heard yourself say?
I think Jack has appeared at this time to take my focus off the Mormon ecclesiastical enterprise. To have had my previous dream containing the character of David O. McKay followed by this one of John R. Howard reminds me of a far older dream (1967) when I met Arnold Toynbee and shook hands with a line of old, dignified wise men.  

If this experience were a wake-up call from your inner compass, what do you think it would be saying to you?  
Don't ignore the small details around you. Keep going in the direction you are going, but be more alert to outer, natural conditions that warrant caution and attention.

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